May 20, 2011

Rookie Bio - Orlando Franklin

History – Bio
Orlando Franklin was born December 16, 1987 in Kingston, Jamaica. His family soon moved to Canada where he was raised. He is currently 24 years old. Franklin didn’t take up football right away after moving to Canada. He didn’t know much about it, he just saw the other kids in his building carrying around their gear. It wasn’t until (at the time he was 8) one of his friends took him along to practice where he fell in love with the game. He says back then he was a lot faster than he is now so he played in the backfield.

High school
He began his high school work in Canada but moved to Florida as a junior. It's hard to overlook the 6-foot-6, 322-pound offensive lineman nicknamed "Big O" now, but that was precisely his family's fear while Franklin, who was born in Jamaica, was growing up in Toronto.

His family moved to Florida before his senior year of high school so he could get noticed by recruiters. Florida he would come to consider his home.

"It was real hard in Toronto," Franklin said. "I think that if I never moved from Toronto that I wouldn't be in the position that I'm in today. Once I got to the U.S. it was not real hard because I got a lot of opportunities to play really early and I got on the field and got recruited by a bunch of teams."

He played left tackle in 2005 as a senior at Atlantic High School under coach Chris Bean. Where he did not allow any sacks all season long. It led to Franklin being ranked as a four-star prospect by, as the 23rd-best offensive tackle in the nation.

Franklin decided to attend The University of Miami, it was like a big high school to him. He liked the atmosphere and was recruited as a guard. Due to some problems transferring credits from Canada to the US, he took a redshirt year in 2006.

In 2007, Franklin’s Freshman year, he ended up playing in all 12 games and starting three of them. Played in his first collegiate game against Marshall, started at left guard against NC State, Virginia Tech and Boston College. For the season he graded out at 95 percent, with 27 pancakes in 407 downs played. He played well enough to share the Rookie of the Year award with Graig Cooper.

Franklin suffered a left wrist injury against Florida State during the 2007 season, incurring a fracture and a pair of torn ligaments. That led to a postseason surgery and Franklin had to sit out the’08 spring practice.

His sophomore year of 2008 saw his weight increase to nearly 350 lb in the spring following the wrist operation. He quickly found that it wasn’t going to help him, as he’d thought. So he got back down to his playing weight - anywhere from 316 to 328 is how he describes it, and notes that playing heavier means more injuries, wear and tear on the body - he played in all 13 games at left guard that year. He had 11 starts, coming against Charleston Southern, Florida, Texas A&M, UCF, Florida State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Played well at Texas A&M, at NC State and against Virginia Tech grading out at 96 percent in all three games. Played a season-high 74 plays in the Emerald Bowl against Cal and graded 95 percent. Also played 70 snaps against UCF and 73 snaps at Virginia. Franklin tallied a team-high 38 pancake blocks and graded out at 94 percent that year.

As a junior in 2009, he continued to improve his game. It’s probably fair to keep in mind that this is a player who came to the game late. He didn’t have the benefits (or problems) of backyard games, pickup games as a youngster, or freshman through junior year coaching for his position in high school. Orlando saw that he had the body type to play the line in football, decided that would be his profession, packed up and moved from Canada to Florida to make that happen, and immediately played well at left tackle. That’s an impressive show of personal will and effort. By the time he was a junior in college, he was getting comfortable with his game.

That year, Franklin graded out at 95 percent with 51 pancake blocks and 13 lumberjacks. He started 11 games at left guard and one game at left tackle. You can talk about run blocking versus pass blocking, but when you combine them, you’ve got a player who grades out at 95 percent and who is increasing his pancake and lumberjack blocks each year.

He picked up a career-high 10 pancake blocks and graded out at 96 percent in the win over Duke. Also performed well against Georgia Tech (97 percent grade, eight pancake blocks, five lumberjacks); Wake Forest (97 percent grade, four pancake blocks); North Carolina (94 percent grade); Florida State (95 percent grade) and Oklahoma (93 percent grade).

He was named ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week after his performance in the regular season finale at USF when he started at left tackle. He was also an All-ACC Honorable Mention that year, and going against Oklahoma’s All-American DT Gerald McCoy, he reached a 93 percent grade, and limited McCoy to a half-tackle. He helped a Miami offense rack up 5,199 yards (3,405 passing, 1,794 rushing), which is the most since the 2004 season (4,593 yards) as the Miami offense is in line to become just the eighth team in school history to gain 5,000 yards in a season. Despite his late start into football, his game was continuing to improve.

And in 2010, it really did.

He played in 13 games that year, with 12 of them coming at left tackle. He’d gone from being a player with no experience, to moving into the left tackle slot as a senior in HS, and then moved to guard in college. Being promoted to the starter slot at left tackle essentially ranks a player as the best they have on their team’s OL. Franklin was up to the challenge - with him at left tackle, the Miami offense put up 5,477 yards (3,105 passing, 2,372 rushing), which is the second most in school history and the most since the 2002 season (6,074 yards). When you note that this offense managed over 3,000 yards passing, you start to understand that while he loves run blocking, his pass protection is far from poor. With over 2,370 yards rushing for UM that year, you also know that when he says that he loves to run block, he’s not kidding around. He led the team with 61 pancake blocks and 16 lumberjacks.

He was named ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week after his performance at Pittsburgh, grading out at 89 percent. Graded out at 95 percent against Ohio State and graded out at 94 percent against UNC.

Franklin made the Outland Trophy Watch List, was All-ACC Second Team as voted by the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association and was a Lombardi Trophy Candidate in 2010. He also received the U of Miami’s Sports Hall of Fame Unsung Hero Award. When he went up against top sackmaster Da’Quan Bowers of Clemson, he was up to the challenge. He’s played well against the best in the college ranks, and that’s all that he could have done up to now.

Over Franklin’s career at The University of Miami he played in 51 games over the four years. This was only one shy of the school record. He registered 29 combined touchdown-resulting blocks in his junior and senior seasons. Was a two-time All-ACC honouree and two-time ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week honouree. Was also voted as the UMiami Sports Hall of Fame Unsung Hero in 2010. He also developed a reputation as a kindhearted teddy bear off the field who transforms himself into a mean player on it.


By the time he left school, he had produced quite a resume and tape with outstanding efforts against first-round picks Chris Long (2007) and Jason Pierre-Paul (2009). A guard who moved to left tackle as a senior, Franklin looked like he was built for the position. He has broad shoulders, long, 35-inch arms and 11 1/8-inch hand width to camouflage his still-developing technique, adequate athleticism and average instincts for the position. Even if he winds up at guard or right tackle, scouts are lauding his toughness and lineman's mentality.

He played the entire 2010 season with a torn meniscus in his left knee, an injury that occurred in 2009. Franklin said he opted to delay surgery because he felt the Hurricanes had "something special going" in 2010. He had surgery at the end of the season but deemed himself "98 percent" at the combine and chose to participate in all workouts.

Here is an analysis of Franklin’s blocking skills:

Pass blocking: Flashes the initial quickness and depth in his kick-slide to consider remaining outside at tackle if he plays on the right side in the NFL. Was late off the snap early in his career at Miami, one of several reasons why the coaching staff kept him inside at left guard. Possesses the physical traits to develop into a top pass blocker. Long arms, strong hands and surprisingly good balance and overall agility. Slides laterally and is able to control opponents when he locks on.

Run blocking: Only marginal initial quickness off the snap, but comes off surprisingly low and hard. Can knock defenders off the ball. Shows good leg drive to gain ground and doesn't back down from a fight. Flashes some nastiness finishing plays and will work to knock his opponent to the ground. Has to do a better job keeping his hands inside the numbers of defenders. Has a tendency to let his hands get too high and wide, which will result in holding penalties against NFL athletes.

Franklin participated in the combine this year. Though he said he was only at about “98%” during the combine because he was recovering from knee surgery. He did however post good numbers at the combine considering his size and injury. Below are his combine measurables.

Pre-draft measureables
Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP Wonderlic
6' ft 6 in 316 lb 35 in 11 1/8 in 5.2 s 1.76 s 2.93 s 28.5 in 26 rep
All values from 2011 NFL Scouting Combine.[2][3][2]

Franklin has a good physique for the RT position. He measured 6’6” inches tall at the Combine and weighed in at 316 pounds, his lower playing weight. Traditionally, tackles are preferred to have long arms - 35 inches is considered optimal - only because it lets the player use them to obstruct speed rushers on the edge for a half second more. It’s an area where Franklin needs coaching and experience, but his arm length is 35 inches exactly, for those who follow that school of thought. His hands are 11 ⅞ inches - big, even for a lineman. Even more impressive is that he has the wingspan of 81 ⅛ inches. His predraft scouting reports were all over the map - some scouts loved him, others didn’t. Here’s a shortened example of both sides, from Pro Football Weekly:

Positives: Very physical and will exert his will on opponents — plays with tenacity and seeks to bury defenders in the ground. Has good body power and substance to anchor and hold the point of attack against bigger bodies. Outstanding football disposition — plays with a mean streak. Outstanding grip strength. Aggressive run blocker. Strong finisher. Battles hard and competes. Is light enough on his feet to handle edge speed. Tough, will play through pain and has been very durable.

That’s all fair enough - there’s a lot to like about Big O. Franklin ran a slow 40 at the Combine, but he’d just gone through a meniscus surgery on his left knee, and yet he still ran. His fractured wrist and torn ligaments as a redshirt freshman didn’t affect his work the following season. He’s an emotionally and physically tough player, and he won’t let dings and ‘boo-boos’ affect his game. He deals well with pain and he’s generally been durable. He’s also very good at taking down an opponent legally - or dropping him, and moving on to another player.

Negatives: Inconsistent technique — plays too wide-based and hands too often go outside the target. Relies too much on his natural strength. Tight-hipped, stiff-ankled and has a lot of lower-body stiffness — tends to play upright as a result. Lazy eyes — can be late to see and adjust to the blitz. Has a selfish makeup with a huge ego and a sense of entitlement not desired in the trenches. Not accountable.

The issue raised on his technique is accurate, but this is why you pay position coaches in the NFL - no rookie comes in with perfect technique. Orlando does keep his stance a little too wide in the drills, and he’s stronger kickstepping to the left - moving to the right will take a little time, since the ability has to be developed through repetition. He’ll have to keep his head on a swivel, and learn to bend his knees on every down, not, at times, his waist. It’s a common failing among less experienced players, and for all that he’s accomplished, Franklin is still learning the game. He’s going to keep right on learning - this opportunity has been his goal since he was in high school. He hasn’t wavered on it. He’s shown the grit that is key to success in the pros.

To the other issues, they get to the heart of why some scouts don’t like him. If you watch his post-draft interview at Dove Valley you don’t see the attitude that is expected after the general media commentary. You see a confident young man who is politely grateful for his opportunity, and who believes in himself. In the NFL, you’d better, or your career will be short - does anyone doubt that Tim Tebow believes in himself? Champ Bailey? Clady? It’s one of the things that NFL people resonate with. Franklin had already spoken with Coach Dave Magazu and seemed appropriately respectful of him.

What you don’t see in that short piece of video was the kind of stubborn, self-absorbed person that much of the draft reporting makes him out to be. Then again he could be hiding it well. What we do know is he is a finisher, someone who isn’t happy unless his assignment is on the ground and he’s laying on top of him or running downfield to find a new victim.

When he spoke, he seemed centered and confident, but not cocky.

I doubt that Dave Magazu is going to have any trouble handling this kid. - Magazu has 32 years in coaching, including nine in the NFL and has coached the OL under head coach John Fox since 2007. The comments from Franklin’s college OL Coach Jeff Southland support the belief that Orlando is highly coachable. Look at his comments in light of the improvement that Franklin made while working under him. He describes Franklin as ‘a very sensitive guy’. That’s not the picture that the media has painted, but it’s the view of a coach who knows Franklin well.

Orlando Franklin was selected 14th in the 2nd round, at 46th overall, by the Denver Broncos.

Franklin has quickly become a controversial pick among the fan base. It’s understandable - folks were expecting a defensive tackle, and Franklin played most of his career at left guard, which confuses folks. He’s been accused of being a ‘dirty’ player. He’s better at run blocking than pass blocking, and that’s a reasonable concern. It’s a vast overstatement to say that he can’t pass block, though. When you look at his career, he’s done well in that role.

Big O may have created some controversy among the fans, but the front office plainly doesn’t share those concerns. The 61 pancake blocks and 16 lumberjacks he achieved in those 13 starts (which lead his team yet again) suggest that when you take down opponent after opponent, some of them are likely to claim that you cheated. When you do some simple math, Franklin averaged almost six pancakes or lumberjacks each game. Some of those guys are going to be angry - and embarrassed.

Bottom line, John Elway wants the Broncos to look good and have a great personality.

"I've always felt every good team I've been around has had a personality you could see right away," said Elway, the Broncos' executive vice president of football operations. "And every coach has a personality, a way they look at things and feel about players. We want to match that up, have those players that have the things we want, the characteristics we want for (coach) John Fox and the Denver Broncos."
And speed tops the list.

"We have to get faster, especially on defense," Fox said. "That was one of the primary goals in this first draft, and it will always be when we're putting our team together. You've got to be fast to the ball and fast with the ball.

"You can be a 4.7, 4.8 guy (in the 40-yard dash) and be productive in spots on defense. But it's a matchup game, and eventually you're going to have to cover a 4.5 guy, a 4.6 guy, or you have to run past a guy on offense. Speed is crucial."

Franklin, a 316-pounder, was the fourth-fastest offensive tackle at the combine.

Then there is the attitude Fox is looking for, attack-minded on defense with the ability to play with power on offense. The Broncos were dismal in short-yardage situations on offense the last two seasons, often unable to move defensive players off the ball at the line of scrimmage.

Enter Franklin, considered by many NFL scouts as one of the best drive blockers available in the draft.

"He's big and physical, he knocks people off the ball, he gets his hands on you and you're usually going the other way," Fox said. "That was something that was impressive."

John Elway has praised Franklin's demeanor on the field, and that’s coming from a man who suffered a lot of sacks before Denver finally put together an offensive line to protect him. The comment on Franklin’s weight is interesting - his weight went up during the time that he was out following the wrist surgery, but he quickly got it under control. It wasn’t an issue throughout the rest of his college career to my knowledge and I saw him comment that he likes to play at about his current weight of 316 (to a max of exactly 328, he says, which was interesting in its precision), because it reduces injuries. Young players who reach the NFL have to learn to take care of their bodies, and it was clear that Franklin had at least a basic grasp of what works for him. It reduces the chance that he’ll have weight issues.

Brian Xanders said, “He played guard early in his career. He’s a taller guy at 6-5, 320-325 (pounds). He has really long arms, but when they put him at left tackle, he was a physical, fierce competitor. He takes his guy three or four yards down the field. He’s a good pass protector because he has length in his arms. His footwork was good enough. We just liked his demeanor, and then we had a good interview…He had an edge to him. He was ready to go. We think he fits in also as a right tackle because of his physicality and his size and in the vertical movement he possesses. We’re excited about him.”

John Fox added, “I think he’s an offensive tackle and has a great combination of athleticism and power, and that’s something we’re looking for. He does it with the right set of mindset.”

Even though Franklin was dunned in the media for his personality, the review admits what most of them concluded - the tape suggest that this is potentially one of the best OL players in the 2011 Draft. He’s on-field mean, sure - and as far as the Broncos are concerned, that’s the good side. He’s been productive in multiple slots, and he has improved every year that he’s been in the game. All of the rest seems like window dressing - the only thing that’s going to matter now is how he produces on the field.

Franklin moved from left guard to left tackle his junior season, but the Hurricanes' dominant drive blocker will play right tackle in Denver, where he could be protecting Tim Tebow's blind side if the second-year Florida quarterback beats out Kyle Orton this fall.

What Franklin really looks forward to is boring holes for Tebow or the Broncos running backs.

"I like to think of myself as the most physical offensive lineman that was in this draft, and I am looking forward to bringing that nature to the Denver Broncos," Franklin said.

His play is what spoke so loudly to the Broncos.

General manager Brian Xanders visited Miami last year and said he liked everything about Franklin, from his experience to his size and strength, but especially his nastiness.

"He takes his guy three or four yards down the field. He's a good pass protector because he has length in his arms," Xanders said.

Coach John Fox, who is known for injecting players with a nasty streak into his defenses, looks for the same demeanor in his offensive linemen.

"He's big and physical and knocks people off the ball. He gets his hands on you and you're usually going the other way," Fox said.

So, the Broncos bypassed such heralded run-stuffing prospects as Marvin Austin and Stephen Paea to select Franklin in the second round of the NFL draft last week.

"Orlando helps us big time at tackle," said John Elway, chief of football operations. "It makes us pretty solid up front."

Given his nose for nastiness, it's no surprise that Franklin considers run-blocking his strength, and he said he's eager to drive defensive linemen back for a mobile quarterback like Tebow: "It definitely makes playing football a whole lot more exciting."

"Yeah, you could say that, I guess. Some people accuse me of being a dirty player, but I just like to get after it," Franklin said. "Some people just think I'm a nasty player because I talk a lot on the field and I'm trying to get the pancake (blocks) and stuff and I'm going to talk all game to you. That's just my game."

At least he, and the Broncos, disagree with that - he says that he plays hard, plays by the rules but plays to the whistle on every down. Jason Fox was UM’s left tackle in 2009 (he will be a rookie LT for the Detroit Lions this year) and he says of Franklin, “He smiles off the field, but when he's on the field, he's all business - like he should be." Miami’s 2010 offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland’s comment was clearly of a more personal nature than your average, canned-sounding responses. He said “We've been through a lot together, some hard times. I'm sure there have been times he has hated me as his coach, but I'm just so proud of the way he has grown up." That doesn’t sound like a young man who’s hard to coach - just one who needs the coach to communicate well and to hold him accountable as well as teach and support him as a player.

What he'll have to hone are his pass-protecting skills, but the Broncos expect him to be able to step right in and start as a rookie in place of Ryan Harris, who is expected to bolt in free agency whenever the NFL's labor impasse is ironed out.

Orlando Franklin has the physical tools, the attitude and the potential to be a starting right tackle in the NFL. Whether he succeeds is entirely up to him - but so far, betting against him hasn’t been a profitable venture. The running game desperately needs a top blocker. I think that the Broncos just got one. Welcome to the Mile High City, Orlando. I hope that your stay is productive, long, hostile and effective. ~ Aussie.

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  1. Nice G.
    I have very high hopes for him. I feel we over drafted him a little, but he could turn out to be really good. I know you read MHR, so I know you know who McGeorge is. He keeps spouting off about how this was such an idiotic pick and how Big O (adopting your nickname for him) will never amount to anything but a Guard. I am so glad you don't feel the same way. He actually was a guy I scoped out when doing mocks and I thought he would make a great RT. I do not feel he will be able to cover for Clady at LT if he would happen to get hurt, but RT handles more of the power rushers than LT. Obviously EFX has determined Harris is not in the future of our OL (which you know damn well all three have very high on their priority lists), maybe because they thought he was to soft. Maybe they just didn't want to pay him the $ he could be getting in FA. We may never know why, just as we don't know why in a lot of cases of players being moved, we just have to be supportive of the ones that are still Broncos and stop looking at moves that ended up differently than we as fans would've wished for Hillis is a main one). McD did some crazy, wild stuff while here, but in my mind, for now anyway, he has helped mold the Broncos into a potential contender for years to come. We are still missing a few pieces of the puzzle with FA being delayed. We all know some DTs are our primary need since we didn't get them in the draft (one little side note, all the teams who did get DTs in the draft will have to make room for them eventually on their rosters and some good ones will become available then). Once EFX completes this year's team I, as usual, will be optomisitic of our chances of winning the SB and ecstatically anticipating the start of the season. Some prefer to look at negatives and expect the worst that we could do, that way if things turn out better than they anticipated then they will be pleasantly surprised.

  2. Hi Digger, I also have high hopes for him as he will really need to do a good job for us. I do read MHR and I know what McGeorge has been saying, he is a Miami U fan so he has seen a lot of him play, this has me worried a little. But being a fan can also make him more critical of his team as he is attached to them emoitonal.

    Big O is not my nickname for him is what he was called at Miami U, but I like it. The Big O haha.

    Harris I think lacks the power for the position in this scheme. I think Harris is a good on the verge of being a great player (if healthy). I also have a feeling that the longer the lockout goes we may resign Harris for a year so we can train up Franklin because he hasn't learned the proper technique for the position yet.

    I agree McD did some crazy things but in context not so. The Hillis trade for example when in context looks like a good trade. Hillis was coming off a 50 yard season where he had done nothing and was riding the bench plus he didn't fit the scheme of what McD was doing. He also was in the doghouse for what ever reason, probably hit on McDs wife? haha Denver needed a back up QB that could be molded into a possible starter and be better than Simms. In that case you can see moving Hillis for Quinn was a good idea. Though in a scheme that fitted him Hillis had a break out year and Quinn has only struggled. Oh well. Some for a number of other trades. Looks good but it just didn't pan out. There is always that 50-50 chance that you score big or get burnt hard. McD was exterme unlucky.

    When FA opens like you I hope to see a few DTs get cut and make it easy for us to pick up a guy. I think Thomas and Bannan are locks to come back. Then a starter in FA and depth player will also be picked up.

    Like you I expect greatness out of my team every year. No point going into the season thinking we will lose, just no fun.

  3. Oh and Digger check out the Let Tebow Play post and tell me what you think.

  4. I did G. I just refrained from commenting.

  5. Great article Aussie!! I'm glad I know a lot more about this guy then when they announced him as one of our picks at the draft. Had no clue who this guy was but after what I've read, I think he could turn out to be a big surprise in the NFL. If given the real opportunity to work with coaches and teammates, I think we have a winner on our hands here. I love that cause then it completely surprises opponents and nothing beats catching another team, especially a rival, off guard like that. I think Franklin has a lot of potential to help out Denver.

    I like that nickname, Big O. Definitely suits him, he's a big guy. And in all honesty, I like the (possible) fact that he's a gritty player on field. I don't want someone racking up penalty flags left & right, but we do need a few gritty, tough as steel players. Almost as bad as our D last year, our Oline could use a little "dirty". lol This league has become too soft but this sport was originally a "no rules" game, basically... and they survived! ha

    I REALLY like that Big O plays till the whistle is blown. That's how it should be done. Why stop playing your role if the whistle hasn't blown?? That's one thing my dad always taught me in sports, mainly soccer... he's say, "play till the ref interrupts you". LOL Yes sir! Big O doesn't give up right in the middle of a play, I've seen a lot of players do that in recent years and it came back to bite them. The play isn't over till its over.

  6. Ahh, just noticed that Aussie changed his pic! Weird. You've had that other logo up since we started this site. Like it though... of course! ha

  7. Since you asked though, I will say I do like the go on a bloody holiday quote. Me, I'm getting some work done. There will be a negotiation of some sort in order for there to be football this year. I have no doubt in that. Besides, like you said, the players are not the ones to blame.

  8. Glad you like Princess, just trying to post all the information up that I can find from around the web to paint a good picture of the player. And yes Princess always play to the whistle, that should be rule number 1 in sports.

    I also like some nasty and toughest on our team. Need lots of manly man.

    Yeah Princess I changed my picture to start the 'Let Tebow Play' movement. I will change it back to my logo when the league year starts up again, as in get a deal.

    Haha yes a Holiday is a good option, I am going on a cruise at the start of July :P. I think there will be a compromise at some point.

    As for blame I think now the players share a bit of it, they both are at fault, but the owners started it.

    Question though, Digger what do you think of my tactic. Am I just crazy and down right mean? I also have thought about the NFL and what would happen if they lift the lockout. Just lift it and implement league rules that the players can live with. Show some good faith or something? Wouldn't that put the players on the back foot and show them in the bad light. So saying 'We want to play games but the players ain't in this for the best interests of the furture of the sport?' Or something along those lines. To take a different tact into this. Who knows may work.

  9. Sounds like Lewis has his head in the right space.

  10. Crazy. I don't think it's mean at all. if you can get the message out via the web more power to you. Do I think it's possible without the MSM support? Not at this present time, no.

  11. Haha yeah attacking the players in a personel way, going after their star icon status is a bit crazy.

    Could get the message out easily, but that is a lot of work and signing up to a lot of sites...

    Also what does MSM stand for? I have seen it before but the meaning escapes me at the moment.

  12. ESPN, NFL Network, Fox, CBS, ect.

  13. Well, just saw something on nfl that will make your efforts harder... this is what I was talking about.

    This is only one small part of a huge ordeal going on but this was the point I was trying to make about revolting against the players. I could easily do it, but just for one team, the Saints already have their entire season sold out... despite the madness. Point is - getting fans of other teams to revolt against their players will be mission impossible. Clearly the Saints have enough devoted fans that it seems VERY unlikely they would do this. No hurt in getting the word out there, but this is what you're up against. Millions of fans to reach out to.

    I hope it doesn't get any uglier than it already has. Lord knows I want a football season more than anyone. Both sides are to blame but I've said this a million times before. The players & their little union are the ones causing the NFL to lock them out. The union turned down who knows how many deals the NFL proposed and it only makes sense that if that's how the union & players want it, to not compromise then it's only fair the NFL locks them out. VERY steep price to pay cuz it will affect every team & every single player but it should be crystal clear as to where I stand on this. Just had to put in my 2 cents. Can't keep my mouth shut when it comes to speaking my mind. lol

    By now I'm tempted to say the NFL should lift the ban but the NFL needs to take a stand just as much as the players do. There are pros & cons to both sides. Like Lewis said crime will rise, that's a no brainer. More players will probably turn to do more drugs, etc. Then again, if the NFL lifts the lockout - players continue to get their way, bleed the fans dry and they won't learn a lesson (lesson being money isn't why they should be playing football & you can't always get what you want).

    Man, I could seriously write a book on this... outta here!! lol

  14. Arr yes the media, I follow now digger. I think it could get picked up by the media, like ESPN, but they aren't going to say revolt against players, as the players are their news, no need to alienate them. But they may report that fans are revolting, paint it in a bad picture but still reaching out to more fans.

    I view this as similar to getting the orange jerseys back. With many people thinking the same way we can get it picked up. And there will be a lot of pissed off fans willing to do anything.

    The Saints selling out the stadium is a good thing for the movement. I am saying if they cancel the season that this is the tactic we should take. If they cancel the season there will be a lot of pissed Saints fans happy to join the cause.

    Princess the players may have turned down the deals, but those deals the NFL are providing may be crap.

    Lewis's verison of crime isn't crime but evil, he just called it crime. He means evil will rise. Without our football fix we may all go crazy haha.

    As for lifting the lockout. Like Lewis said it is about pride. Maybe the NFL can show some good faith. Cancel the lockout say they are open to the players and want to get a new deal. If the players regret the chance to work out a deal and contuine to be greedy, just lock them out again. But you since have made the players look bad. No? is an interesting concept. But won't happen. We just are going to have to be patient and see where the legal battle goes.

  15. I get where you're coming from Aussie, I really do. I just see the vast majority of the players holding out on coming to a deal just so they can get more money. Am I right?? I say yes and with that said, the players have made themselves look bad. I have just said it out loud. You have quite a few players with nothing but money on their little pea brains with large egos and they won't back down till they get it. Maybe the deals the NFL were not good enough, or maybe they were. We will never know the FULL details of it all but how many deals does the NFL have to propose to them in order to get it right. If one thing is wrong in one deal, the NFL proposes another and its still not good enough. The NFL might as well propose to give the players the entire world & its gold and just maybe that will be good enough. The part that has me all riled up about this thing is its all about money, money, money for the players and it makes me sick.

    This is where the crappy union comes in to really screw it all up. The bigger chunk the players get, the more the lawyers get and everyone else involved in the union. The players need to wake up, smell the freakin' coffee and stop being to greedy. They are getting paid top dollar to play football, win championships... not whine about they aren't getting enough money when they are offered millions more than the rest of us. Its complete insanity.

    These players have to big of egos to realize this, which is why I end up venting on here cuz I could just yell at every one of them for not getting the bigger picture. The game of football is not about them... its about football. That's all the fans want but I'd like at least a speck of integrity in the players while their at it. Now when I look at most of them all I see are dollar signs in their eyes. That's all they care about. Half the time I wonder do they even care about playing the game just for the fun of it??

    And Lewis may have been talking about evil if the lockout continues but to me that's the same as crime... players will get bored, especially the ones that are notorious for legal troubles during a season. No doubt, crime will rise in areas these players go if there's no season. Look at how much trouble they get into during the season when they should all be focused on practice, getting better at the position they are OVER-PAID for to begin with.

    We have no choice but to wait and see where how this turns out. Just really ticks me off knowing the players hold out for the money. At this point & the fact that it is taking this long to peacefully come to an agreement, I am 95% certain the majority of the players don't give a rats butt about football. I'm convinced of it. I am, however, 100% on the NFL's side about this. Absolutely ridiculous.

  16. I love the novels princess, always provides interesting conversation.

    First this isn't about the players making MORE money just not lossing much. The owners instead of playing 50% of revenue to the players want to pay only 40%. But the players like it the way it is. They don't want to lose money, not gain more.

    I also think the owners are trying to do this for the best interests of the league (I hope so and not new private jets).

    This point you makes is the best bit: 'I could just yell at every one of them for not getting the bigger picture. The game of football is not about them... its about football.' So true, the percentage that they lose now will not affect them or future players that much, but the game will continue and grow and get better. The new CBA was meant to help that.

    Dumb players will be dumb players, I also think Lewis was talking about the general public, with out football we will go crazy and do evil things.

    I think a lot of players care about football but they are in it for the money. I heard/read somewhere that 80% of players are pay check players, in the sense they play for money. I think that is a bit high but many would be doing it for the money.

  17. So princess it looks like you are up next with an article on Julius Thomas next and you are doing Jeremy Beal as well I believe.

    Then I will have to do Carter, Mohammd and Green.

  18. Yeah, I'll get to it, well when I get to it. lol Was actually feeling up to it today and then of course we had to get all sorts of crazy weather. Across a few states we had just over 50 tornadoes today. Nuts!! Another reason not to live here in the middle of nowhere, tornado alley. The weather was making power act up like it had hiccups or something, so couldn't work on my next piece. Go figure.

    I'll see if I'm up to it tomorrow. Just haven't been real excited about these articles knowing there's a high chance of no season. Borderline depressing. I read about these guys' life and what potential they have and then I'm reminded we might not even have a season to see it. Enough of that, I hope to have the next article out before the weekend. No promises though. ha

  19. As for your other comment, this is what I've been getting at....

    "I think a lot of players care about football but they are in it for the money. I heard/read somewhere that 80% of players are pay check players, in the sense they play for money. I think that is a bit high but many would be doing it for the money."

    So many of the players are "paycheck players" and I hate that. No harm in wanting to make good money, you wouldn't be human if you didn't want to be financially sound but when your goal becomes the money more than the passion for the game (in this instance) then we get situations like this. They are so blind-sided by the money they don't even care if they play another down, as long as they get their millions.

    I (maybe blindly) honestly believe the NFL wants to do the best thing for the league because they are seeing the bigger picture. There's no doubt both sides are feuding because of money, but the decision made in these talks affects the league long-term. It's a big deal as to how this thing turns out. Both sides don't want to lose money, they do want to gain more and its causing a costly interruptus to every team & player.

  20. Hi. I have had some trouble signing in lately. If anyone else is having problems, you have to sign out completely and then resign in to google with your old account. May 13 they said was when they "fixed" something on google and I haven't been able to sign in since. I got it now though.

    Elway explains why they picked Miller over Dareus and Royal back after hip surgery are the two main things recently. Eddie's catch % was really good last year. I hadn't noticed so much, but read that. Lloyd's was not so good. Our WR's really have a lot of potential. We all know that. Getting two TEs will help TT out a bunch this year too. Everything rides on the D this year. If Fox and Allen have finally given us a D back to Denver we could really do well this year. IF THERE IS FOOTBALL! C'mon man, get this crap over with now and get back to playing some football.

  21. Yeah same seems like there has been problems, looks all sweet now though.

  22. huh, that's weird. I haven't had any problems... then again I haven't been on here in awhile but still its only been 5 days since I was last here.

    Really working on another article. Just haven't felt up to it. Those things wipe me out, ya know!? lol

  23. Haha yeah Princess, whenever you can get it up, not like much else is happening at the moment.

  24. Well, looks like I've run into a bit of problem with these next two articles. I've googled both Thomas & Beal and I can't find anything on their high school days let alone college. only gives you so much and everything else I've found is just speculation of what they could do for the team. Not much of a bio on either one.

    So was hoping Aussie could find me a few sites that would give me something to work with otherwise I guess I could just combine both players in one article about how well I think they will adapt to the team, NFL and what they can contribute to Denver. Let me know.

    Till then... I washed my car today myself and boy is it shiny. lol Haven't been able to or didn't see the point before now since here in Missouri we have the most absurd winters and we just had a bunch of rain. Its been dirty for so long you almost need sunglasses just to look at it. haha My mom thought I went out and bought myself a brand new car... HA, if I did I'd get me a Porsche. Not much else to talk about, so there. lol

  25. I wouild rather read your input on how much impact those two will have on the team anyway BP.

  26. ha, that's good enough for me. I'll get to work on that ASAP. Thanks for the input.

  27. Sorry princess been busy plus at work it isn't allowing me to comment anymore, any way I can help u with a few links, but there isnt much on these guys do doing your other idea is good

  28. Here are some links Princess.